The Interpreter Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 No. But it is Saturday there. Tomorrow... And admission there is $66. Parking is $22. There are reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creed Bratton Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 The other operators are not fools. The Mayflower anyone? Haha If it were truly a money making opportunity, Ed Hart would not want to be risk sharing. He'd want to own the revenue stream outright, as he has with many other ventures. I'm talking the financial side. It's what I know. And I still do not see how under the rosiest of scenarios this business plan is sustainable. There is a reason very few parks are on leased land. There is a reason parks don't want to operate on government property. There is a reason parks price the way they do, and it is sheer folly to think one can severely undercut the competition and stay in business. The other operators are not fools. Wouldn't it cost more to "re-locate" the park? Aren't the rides on property owned by the State? Wouldn't purchasing from the state or new rides be cost a ton more than having an agreement with the state to operate? I think of Gilroy Gardens in California, isn't that family park on land that is leased from the City? While not a lot of parks do this, I don't think it is entirely bad. I think it honestly is a point of accountability. Also, the Fair Board isn't the same as it was. Have we seen the exact full business plan to determine if it is sustainable? No. But it is Saturday there. Tomorrow... And admission there is $66. Parking is $22. There are reasons. Comparing SFGAdv to KK is kind of silly as of now, maybe in the future, it won't be. That's like comparing Cedar Point to Holiday World. CP: $54.99 admission, parking $15, preferred parking $25 HW: $39.95 admission, parking is free. They play to different markets. SFGAdv to KK, they play to different markets. Holiday World vs. KK they play to very similar if not to the same market. Eventually when KK is up and going to just adding new additions, why not spin it toward the marketing of More for Less? That's the state this society is in, IMO. There's the whole thought of, what's the way I can get double of ____ (whatever it may be) for half the price or less? It's a sad state to be in, but marketing it toward that can draw more in. How many people when they go to get a new cell phone (if they're not dead set on getting just the upgraded version of their current phone) ask how to get the "greatest phone" for the "cheapest" rate? Eventually, it's how the public will perceive the worth. Yeah, a lower price may allow for people to just let their kids go to the park so the park can "babysit" but it's time for people to grow backbones and help correct the problem when they see it when it comes to the kids vandalizing, causing a ruckus, etc. by calling the kids out, getting security and just taking pride in one's home park. When people start taking pride in their park, the management often times will too. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Don't forget California's Great America, too. I wasn't comparing Great Adventure to Kentucky Kingdom, though they once shared some flags. And, because of the state involvement, much of Hart's business plan was required to be publicly disclosed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creed Bratton Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 I must have missed that or didn't understand it! Ha! I think my main point is that pride is needed from all sides to make something like KK successful. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungStud Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 I think you get what you pay for. Cedar Point offers 16 or 17 coasters and lots of rides. Holiday world offers 3 coasters and less rides. Kk will offer bout the same # of coasters and less rides plus rides that are sbno that will be reopening in another season or two. Of course cp will cost the most with HW being less and kk being less. If kk charged 60 admission and 20 $ to park no one would show up to a park that only has 50-60% of the park operating. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Just a random thought: could Hart be subsidizing admission and concession prices with advertising? Could he be taking Six Flags' approach by posting ads around the park? That could play a part in why he believes his business model will work. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungStud Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 2014 is not a year for profits but to get people to know its a great park again and start coming back. Its basically a start up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Just a random thought: could Hart be subsidizing admission and concession prices with advertising? Could he be taking Six Flags' approach by posting ads around the park? That could play a part in why he believes his business model will work. One certainly hopes so. Even at Flags, ads contribute a relatively small part of total revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creed Bratton Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Just a random thought: could Hart be subsidizing admission and concession prices with advertising? Could he be taking Six Flags' approach by posting ads around the park? That could play a part in why he believes his business model will work. That'd be good....as long as none of the rides are actually wrapped in ads. Alright Pay Day train you are out of here enjoy your ride on Thunder Run! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 You think Hershey (who owns PayDay) would pay to advertise at Kentucky Kingdom? Snickers! (one reason Mars is happy to advertise at Flags). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creed Bratton Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Lol, just threw in the first candy bar that came to mind! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungStud Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 You have to advertise to your demographics. Kk will have sponsorship from whiskey & beer companies. Thunder run will be renamed makers mark run. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 That would certainly rile some of the natives and adversely impact group business from churches and schools. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark6495 Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 I dont think anyone here wants KK to fail, but we are just being realistic. Seeing the place in person, it looks nicer than it did, but it didnt make me wish it was open to spend money there. At least not yet. On a different more positive note. With his or others money, at least Hart is trying to get this park open. Americana/Le Sourdesville Lake, sits rotting.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 ...as does Big Dipper at Geauga Lake. I still have problems believing what Cedar Fair has apparently let happen there. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuskin Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Americana/Le Sourdesville Lake It disappoints me this fell through. They had big plans to bring it back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 If Mr. Couch hadn't been gullible enough to let Pugh Amusements take him and the park to the cleaners, it might still be there.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 I don't know if any of you all are fans of Kentucky Kingdom on Facebook but if you have been keeping up with the pictures they have been posting it is looking unreal the changes they are making already to the park. Mile High Falls looks great. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Mile High Falls has an awesome splash, it makes Congo Falls' looks dainty by comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calakapepe Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 And even more so with Giraffica XD.. especially since HW's was supposed to have a massive splash initially. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungStud Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Smart ky people put the glass up to keep from being sprayed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I also just discovered this as well, once again browsing through their photos on Facebook. Rocky Mountain Coasters is doing renovations on Thunder Run, anxious to see how that turns out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungStud Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Thunder run was always underrated. Put it at holiday world and it would have won all the golden tickets in the day over Raven. Raven has got to be the most overrated coaster in history. I don't like woodies cause they are not tall or fast enough but enjoyed thunder run. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondbacker27 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Ehats the deal with Twisted Twins? I know its supposed to reopen in 2016. But what are they doing to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondbacker27 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 *What's. Sorry for double post. I cant edit from my Phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBEASTunchained Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 (Photo Courtesy of The New Kentucky Kingdom) "Last month we put up a picture of "Mile High Falls" as the ground crews were hard at work preparing the basin to be painted. Look at it now! Freshly painted/cleaned support beams, basin and splash bridge! Shouldn't be too long now until we see it up and running again." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTD-120-420 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 That guy in yellow looks properly tied off. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 FWIW, Indiana just announced the toll schedules for cars coming into KY (Louisville) from Indiana for the 2 new bridges under construction. When complete, cars will be charged $4 a trip, semis more (those with a transponder making 20+ trips a month will pay $1 per trip). something else for Ed to contemplate as he runs his numbers for the new KK. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoaster Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 just think Kentucky Kingdom is much better off than what happened to lesourdsville lake. all we can do is hope for the best and many happy years to come for all the investors of the all new Kentucky Kingdom: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungStud Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 That would cost people going to holiday world as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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